Child support does not mean Life Support

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I had a bit of a knock-down drag-out argument with my son’s mom last night. I try to avoid them at all costs, but this one was looming on the horizon for about 17 years. Child support ends next year and she doesn’t think that’s fair. She thinks it should just go on and on, indefinitely.

We were divorced in California and although we moved to Oregon six years ago and our child support is enforced by Oregon’s child support enforcement department, it still abides by the original California agreement. And in California, child support ends on the child’s 18th birthday.

The whole thing started over a discussion we were having about college for the boy. She had been pushing for private music schools and conservatories all over the country. I had been pushing for the University of Oregon, our home school, Go Ducks! In part because I still want him close by, but in large part due to the incredible expense, that I know she can’t afford, associated with going almost anywhere else.

The boy carries a 3.5 GPA and scored a 1960 on the SAT as a sophomore. He easily qualifies for acceptance almost anywhere in the country. For him, the school that for most kids in his class is their “Reach for the Moon School” is his fall back option. He likes music and he plays the guitar pretty well. He’s been in the high school jazz band and all. But even he is more realistic about his abilities and the un-likelihood of any scholarships coming his way than she is.

As far as I am concerned, he is going to college for all job/career opportunities other than “Rock Star”. Because, face it, if he does make a career out of playing the guitar, then no one is going to care where he went to college or if he went at all for that matter. Any job/career other than Rock Star and it will matter. That’s what I want to prepare him for. Jobs/careers other than Rock Star

My position has always been to be as realistic as possible with him and not set him up for disappointment. It’s fine if you want to encourage him to look at those amazing private music schools in Boston and Chicago or New York if he actually has a chance in hell of going to one of them, but what are you going to say to him after he is all excited about them, when he can’t go there because you can’t afford it? That’s not fair to him.

We had been meeting with a counselor to help us work our way through the college selection, application and financial aid processes (at her suggestion) and even he had been pushing the conversation towards the U of O but she just wouldn’t listen. She couldn’t pick up on it. I finally had to lay it all out for her in black and white. And in so doing, I had to include the part where I informed her that not only is college going to cost an arm and a leg, but that child support would be ending too. She was going to actually have to chip in on something for once in her life.

I knew she wasn’t thinking about the money. She never does. Somebody else always pays. That somebody being me. It was the first time the stark reality that she would have to come up with money all on her own had set in. And it smacked her right across the face. Suddenly she wasn’t talking about conservatories and private schools anymore, now she wanted to know what local community colleges were available.

I’m certain she had intended to pay her share with money she would be getting from me. And that I, in addition to paying her share, would be paying mine as well. I mean… that’s fair, right? It’s how it’s always been done. Why wouldn’t that just continue?

I’ll tell you why. Because she has had 18 years to learn to live within her means and I am not going to continue to enable her any longer. Just because she is the mother of my child doesn’t mean I am responsible for her welfare for the rest of her life.

She had the audacity to infer that I was somehow not to be trusted to pay my fair share. That despite an unblemished record over the past seventeen years of paying above the standard child support guidelines, paying for expenses that should have been included as part of those child support payments as well as his music lessons, cell phone bill, car payments, insurance and on and on and on, she still feels it’s not enough and that it should just continue on until some undisclosed point in the far distant future.

I intend to see to it that my son gets the college education and experience that I have always wanted for him. I will likely pay for most, if not all of it on my own. But after his 18th birthday,  it will be a cold day in hell before his mother sees another red cent from me.

I just love that kid. Her… not so much.

Best of luck

Jack

When does child support become life support? When do you think it should end? What’s fair in your eyes? Don’t be afraid to tell me in comments.

References:

Uniform Interstate Family Support Act

California Child Support Termination

 

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  • http://twitter.com/Kahunamcgee Beth Lopez

    How can anyone in their right mind argue with that?  Child Support too many times becomes added value to the mother’s pocket and it’s wrong on soooo many levels.  Don’t get me started… Nice article…good points…good luck!

    • http://www.divorcednotbroken.com Jack Adams

      Thanks Beth. I appreciate your input.

      • randy

        When does child support End ! My son turns 18 moves out of his mother’s house into his girlfriends house i keep paying child support because he is in high school untill i found out she keep the money .. i call the state child support office .. the tell me to stop payments till they get to the bottom of it.. 1 1/2 years later i think it’s over I try to get a passport they tell me i owe back child support… he did not live with her and he did not receive any type of support ..my attorney says i have to give her 5000 dollars …. sound like alimony not child support …I never missed a payment untill they told me to stop ! so you tell me when does child support end..

  • http://www.doubting-thomas.com Doubting Thomas

    Sounds eerily familiar. Here in Texas we (thankfully) don’t have alimony, but my ex took it none to well when I lost my job, went back to school, and had to accept a reduced child support. She continued to spout the nonsense about “the lifestyle she was accustomed to” despite not working during our marriage, already remarrying, and having her sister live with her to help pay the bills. And like you, I pay 100% of the kids cell phones, music lessons, etc, despite orders to the contrary.

    Blows my damn mind. Thankfully, my train ticket to the land of reality has been punched and I’m good. She now has to deal with her consequences without me as safety net.

    • http://www.divorcednotbroken.com Jack Adams

      Wow…
      Thanks for commenting DT.
      DO you have a twitter to follow? I think I’d like to hear more of your insights.
      Jack

      • http://www.doubting-thomas.com Doubting Thomas

        Twitter: DT_Rambles
        http://www.doubting-thomas.com

        I’ve been a little remiss in blogging lately – been taking an Abnormal Psych class that is eating my lunch!

  • Tara (thedivorceencouragist)

    I think your son’s 18th birthday sounds like as good a time as any for his mother to become an adult ;)

    Good luck with that one…

    • http://www.divorcednotbroken.com Jack Adams

      Wow… nice.
      It’s funny. I thought of this post as a rant no one would be with me on. I am surprised by all of the support.
      Thanks for chiming in.

  • http://twitter.com/simplyaimeeb Aimee

    My son’s dad throws a fit if I ask him to buy a pair of shoes or a haircut once in awhile. Bless you for being so supportive. If he’s 18, her expenses for him should be diminished, no reason to continue paying support.

    • Lori

      I’ve got one like this.  Due to a financial arrangement, he wants an itemized list of extras that he would be paying that instead I am paying until it reaches a certain amount – and because he’s such an arse about things  I’m putting things on there that I would normally absorb without thinking.  ($10 for coaches gift, etc)  Everytime I feel a little guilty about the child support, he treats me like I am at his beck and call because he ‘pays’ me.  Instead, I have continued the college fund (three kids!) and continue to live cheaply (for ex., no internet on *my* cell phone) while he goes on vacations (without the kids).

      Child Support does end at 18!  Right now I could not afford my house and bills without it – but I am in the marital house in a crap market.  I’m just holding on – I have 16 years or so!

  • http://www.postdivorcechronicles.com PostDivorceCoach

    Great insight and article.  It should end at 18.  After all, you have been supporting for all these years, let the ex pick up some slack for a few!

  • http://twitter.com/SingleMamma4God Christian SingleMom

    My x is behind in his child support and it was only ordered from about two years after our daughter was born. Aside from what he might owe me between arrears and all the things it never covered that we should have shared over the years I am content to have it end when she becomes an adult at 18 or when ever.

    If she goes off to college I would definitely even be ok with the money just going directly to her to her or towards the bills. I wish all parents would be rational and practical. I wish they understood how to share and keep the kids first.

    Since that is not always the case it is just nice to be able to talk to others along the journey and release the frustrations of dealing with the crazy.

  • http://twitter.com/PeggyNolan Peggy Nolan

    Child support is just that CHILD support. Not adult support or ex-wife support. 18 is when a child becomes a legal adult. I’m also the kind of parent that stopped a lot of “adult” support when my girls turned 18. They were expected to pay their own cell phone bill, their car insurance, and my oldest paid for her first two years of college by working (she lived at home rent free). Jack – would love to have you on my radio show…game?

    • http://chopperpapa.com ChopperPapa

      Speaking from experience that is not how most divorced women see child support. About a year ago my ex complained to me that what I paid her wasn’t enough and gist had no idea what it costs to raise kids.

      Feeling empathy for her, I offered to discontinue child support and split every expense associated with the kids down the middle 50/50.

      She stopped tsalking and hasn’t brought it up since.

      Did I mention that she is remarried to a husband with no kids? Both of which are going back to school full time and neither have full time jobs….

      Child support is anying but only for the kids.

      • http://www.divorcednotbroken.com Jack Adams

        OMG… I have tried this as well on many occasions. It’s funny how quickly it shuts them up. I have also suggested that he come live with me so as to reduce the burden on her. That of course is out of the question. She needs my support to make her mortgage payment.

  • http://www.divorcednotbroken.com Jack Adams

    Thanks for commenting Peggy.
    It was pretty apparent that she didn’t really care about my son’s well being considering all of her arguments started with ,”I” and not “HE”.
    I have no problem supporting my son beyond 18 and will likely do so. I am just not interested in seeing her take the money that is supposed to be for him and use it as she desires.
    I will match her dollar for dollar if asked. But she needs to start coming up with her own dollars now.
    I’d be delighted to be on your show. E-mail me details.
    Jack

    • Innocent bystander

      Wow Jack – I feel for you and hope your child’s mother will quickly realize that although the court systems don’t have the guts to say this I will – When did people start thinking that divorce meant one person is financially responsible for a child and one is not?!  Maybe it always has and I’m new to it.
      I’m a female married to a man who has a daughter with his ex-wife.  This amazing young lady lives with us 60% and mom 40%.  My husband, like you, pays for music lessons, cell phone bill, swim team, insurance and also child support.  His ex-wife has the audacity to say to him a few months ago, “You know you took advantage of me in court.  How can the small amount you pay me possibly pay for shelter, food, electricity AND school clothes (for the two nights a week she has her).”  Mom has no problem admitting that she chooses not to work.
      I was floored!  When did one parent become completely not fiscally responsible for a child?  Many men don’t take care of their responsibilities – yes- but MANY do and they do it well.  Why is it just expected that if the female chooses not to work that the man is responsible to cover the slack. 
      The children that you TRUE men are raising are blessed to have such amazing men in their lives.  Unfortunately, so are their mother’s and they are taking complete advantage of it.

  • http://twohappyhomes.blogspot.com/ Traci Whitney

    Great post. Amazing how money can smack someone right back into reality, isn’t it? Coincidentally, I had a similar decision to make when I went to college. My dream college was a pricey art school, which I was accepted to, but did not receive any financial aid for. I also got into Syracuse University, which gave me a scholarship. Best decision that was ever made for me! A much more rounded education, and a better college experience overall!

  • Angie Gren

    “the boy”?  You sound like a real peach.  Wear can I find a self proclaimed renaissance man and “all around great guy” like yourself?

  • Anonymous

    My oldest son sought me out when he turned 12 ( I hadnt seen him in 10 years), his mother was an affirmed druggie and couldn’t maintain a steady house to save her life. He moved in with me on his 13th birthday and never left. I continued to pay child support for the next 6 years because my son was worried about his younger sisters – (not mine) – so I continued to pay it even though he lived with me.  When that ended on his 18th she was upset that the money stopped flowing.

    He just brought his youngest sister (14) to live in my house because he was afraid she was going to turn out like her mom. He has thanked me many times over and explained to me that had it not been for the child support still flowing to his crazy mom that things would have been much worse for his sisters.

    Sometimes it is actually life support but certainly not “for life” 

  • lupine3

    I’ve been taking care of my three children, in all aspects, for the last four years since I left my marriage. The only time I get money from my ex-husband is when he deigns to look down his nose and throw money at the “problem.” What he doesn’t realize, or perhaps care about, is that he is hurting not me, but his own flesh and blood. I will go without…food, clothing, “things”…to provide for my children. Unfortunately, he only cares about #1…it was always, and will always be, “his money.” I have graduated from college and worked full-time since the separation/divorce. And him? Moved in with his parents (@ 43 years old) and now his girlfriend.

  • Brat2313

    Love love love!!!!!! My boyfriend pays his support and covers medical. And her hand is still out for … Schools clothes, dances, softball, yearbook… I’m not exactly sure what he gives and what he doesn’t. BUT ‘mom’ doesn’t work, even for the second kid (that is not my boyfriends)… So there I am sure the state kicks in most of the support. I can NOT wait until she has to do it on her own!!! I have no problem with him paying for his kid, it’s his duty… But what about her? She has no responsibility? She shops a LOT but can’t work?!? I could never rely on somebody like that, what if something happens to my boyfriend? Where is her $$ gonna come from then? Life is different without the FREE $525 a month!!! So I am looking forward to the 21st birthday!!!!

  • Mad in Memphis

    My ex went on the run after our divorce 8 years ago. He worked under the table so he could dodge the law and his payments. He’s currently in jail. He has never made not one payment. I lost my job and have been seriously looking for employment for 2 years now. I , with my hands in the air and no income, decided to go back to school to better myself and be able to support our daughter , whom he has no contact with or interest in helping. I ended up becoming homeless and my daughter went into state custody because I have no family who actually give a rats ass because as they put it, I am adopted and not blood so they don’t have to help me. Our parents are surely rolling over in their graves at this moment.True , they don’t have to help me, but then again I didn’t ask for help for me I asked for a place for my daughter to live…. The system is unfair no matter what your situation is. Now that my daughter is in state custody , because I have no job or way to support her, they charge me 300 dollars a month of child support which is based on my 40 hour non existent work week at minimum wage. So my support is stacking up and I now face court and jail time for being unable to pay, and guess what? Her father doesn’t have to pay a dime.Don’t know whether to be furious or cry. I wish everyone the best of luck in your situations!

    • Guest

      my child support order was for $4000/m and spousal support of 3000/m.., that’s $500 per pay cheque more than i make…… I’m on stress leave, now it is combined at $3400/m… just over half what I take home… no matter what I make it will always be just over half… how is that fair? I live in a two bedroom little apartment that has no laundry … while she lives in a new house… the system is messed up… thanks for “acting in best interest of children”… NOT